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Post by oldstash on May 28, 2020 11:09:51 GMT
Because I know you all love the RPI
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 13:54:54 GMT
I understand that windows is very slow on the 4gb RPI, will the 8gb version handle it better? cheers Paul
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Post by davy on May 28, 2020 14:28:58 GMT
What's the price in it stash,, as Paul says if it could handle windows,, would get my thumbs up,, I'm no switching from byeos 😂
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Post by Dragon Man on May 28, 2020 14:55:44 GMT
Ummmm . . . what's an RPI?
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Post by oldstash on May 28, 2020 16:44:36 GMT
RPI - Retail Price Index :-) same as in your ASI whatever thingy !
As I have said before Windows - as you know it - doesn't run at all on RPI4 - The binaries for Windows have to match the Processor (RPI = ARM) and last time I looked there were NO Astro programs (or virtually anything else) on the version of Windows (RT) that runs on RPI4 - but Who knows with M/S . If you want Windows stick with supported Processor types (Intel,Amd etc) as its better to have 10000 dev's looking at hardware problems on Intel/Amd than 50 on a XYZ IMHO -especially if Microsoft bring out major software changes as they dont test changes on XYZ kit at all - thats down to the OEM of XYZ models.
Unless you are Davy who is a known tester of all OEM's LOL - where's the Aplha ?
I would wait another 6 mths to let the dust settle if you want to go RPI4 8gb as the new 64bit OS is still beta - that is still has problems and there has been a few hardware "mods" on the 8GB version.
Anyway you will all being getting an RPI4 something soon as ZWO and others are moving to IP interface camera's IMO -just like CCTV - only stacking etc will be done in the "Camera" (Camera plus SCB (Small Computer Board) - e.g RPI or other similar). As I say IMO :-) but then I thought Eng would thrash the Aussie's at cricket last time!
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Post by davy on May 28, 2020 17:40:42 GMT
Can do a,, fund Davy if you want auld yin,, 😁.. But in the mean time the funds have taken a good kicking due to the lock down and have to cut the cloth with what I have,, and I need a couple of new tyres for the jalopy,, so at the minute old mother Hubbard went to the cupboard,, where the jar with Astro funds in it,,,, and pissed her self laughing it was so bare
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Post by davy on May 28, 2020 17:43:34 GMT
So the geezers on utube who have stuck this version of the arm windows 10 are having a laugh,, it may say windows but won't run byeos,, sharpcap ect.. What a bummer..
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Post by davy on May 28, 2020 17:45:55 GMT
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Post by oldstash on May 28, 2020 18:32:45 GMT
So the geezers on utube who have stuck this version of the arm windows 10 are having a laugh,, it may say windows but won't run byeos,, sharpcap ect.. What a bummer.. No they are running Windows 10 but "not as we know it Jim" but thats doesn't mean there is a BYEOS (or anything else) binary(thats the bit with the instructions for a specific CPU make) for ARM (thats the RPI4) processor - ask Mr ? at Byeos perhaps he can create one ! You cant just download and install any Windows program if it doesn't have the correct CPU instruction set.
Quote " Raspberry Pi 4 and Pi 3 officially support the IoT Core version of Windows 10, which is not same as the version of Windows 10 that runs on a desktop but is a stripped-back release for low-power ".
You know its a Ford Escort 1300l but it still isn't a Ford Escort Mexico - but they are both Ford Escorts :-)
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Post by davy on May 28, 2020 18:41:36 GMT
So the geezers on utube who have stuck this version of the arm windows 10 are having a laugh,, it may say windows but won't run byeos,, sharpcap ect.. What a bummer.. No they are running Windows 10 but "not as we know it Jim" but thats doesn't mean there is a BYEOS (or anything else) binary(thats the bit with the instructions for a specific CPU make) for ARM (thats the RPI4) processor - ask Mr ? at Byeos perhaps he can create one ! You cant just download and install any Windows program if it doesn't have the correct CPU instruction set.
Quote " Raspberry Pi 4 and Pi 3 officially support the IoT Core version of Windows 10, which is not same as the version of Windows 10 that runs on a desktop but is a stripped-back release for low-power ". You know its a Ford Escort 1300l but it still isn't a Ford Escort Mexico - but they are both Ford Escorts :-) thanks auld yin,, I hate raspberry again,, 😁 junk lol, Was more a Ford orion guy myself 😂 and it was more about what you could do under the bonnet,, this baby could move,, gas flowed the head, polished ports and modified dozens of v v carbs till I got one that,, was very nice to drive certainly buried a few xr3i in it's day,,
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 0:14:09 GMT
Oldstash,I dont want to put windows on the Pi. I just wish I could live stack on K Stars and also I found it too difficult technically to get plate solving to work on Astroberry. Have never been anti Linux. I have been putting Linux (Redhat and then Ubuntu)on my old computers for a number of years. It is just that I havent progressed with the commands.
I didnt quite follow what you were saying about ZWO stacking in the camera .Does that mean I will need a RPi(or similar) to stack on future zwo cameras ? cheers Paul
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Post by oldstash on May 29, 2020 13:15:32 GMT
Oldstash,I dont want to put windows on the Pi. I just wish I could live stack on K Stars and also I found it too difficult technically to get plate solving to work on Astroberry. Have never been anti Linux. I have been putting Linux (Redhat and then Ubuntu)on my old computers for a number of years. It is just that I havent progressed with the commands. I didnt quite follow what you were saying about ZWO stacking in the camera .Does that mean I will need a RPi(or similar) to stack on future zwo cameras ? cheers Paul Asking a bit much to Stack on something like a PI even with 8gb and SSD instead of SD card AND do everthing else. Might work on a stand alone PI - i.e. thats all it does just stack .
Platesolving is very simple on PI and no different to Platsolving on Windows - just needs to be set up with correct index's (cant remember if Astroberry just has the complete set as part of the main image you download) , Telescope FL etc - you have the choice of "online" via Astrometry.net (no index's needed for this) , Offline default Astrometry which resides on PI but does need the correct Index's or ASTAP which has its own Index's which are downloaded and installed with ASTAP if my memory is correct. Choosing between the options is just a case of click the Radio/tick box. Best done during the day and with simulators and old images to get used to how it works.
Must admit Platesolving is easier using CCDCIEL even on Windows and it has the advantage of using Astrometry Platesolving (offline or online) as automatic backup should ASTAP fail (I set a low radius on ASTAP and timeout). Once set up (FL,UM Pixel size etc) all you have to do is right click on Image to platesolve. If you want the same in a sequence you just click the Platesolve Box for the Object (think it tries 3 times then skips object if it has problems).
The "FUTURE" of stacking/imaging IMHO will be done by the camera which will have its own dedicated SCB and present images via IP (Ethernet). Commands would also be sent to the camera via IP/Ethernet. CCTV already does this so cant see why Astro camera's shouldn't do the same. After all I can connect more than one client to a CCTV and both can see the image. Plus each device will always be unique as its address will be std IP addresses. As I say its my opinion and IS NOT AVAILABLE at present and may never be :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 16:16:39 GMT
Thanks for that Oldstash. I didnt realize you could do plate solve with simulators.
Stacking/imaging done by the camera is very interesting. Does that mean we will need to buy new cameras or will it be a software change? cheers Paul
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Post by oldstash on May 30, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
Thanks for that Oldstash. I didnt realize you could do plate solve with simulators. Stacking/imaging done by the camera is very interesting. Does that mean we will need to buy new cameras or will it be a software change? cheers Paul Yes thats how I test platsolving settings - during the day so not to waste clear skies. Give you a good idea of the solve times. You can do the same on Windows to be fair.
Again my opinion but the former - part of camera. Most likely from ZWO I guess.
But of course using Davy's new to arrive (bet he has ordered one just not saying LOL) Alpha stuck on a nice high end ZWO USING Indiserver(NO GUI - sorry Windows lovers) running the Image capture (say 4k HD 4944X3284 @ 100FPS - i wish, ok real life present 1920x1200 @ 30-FPS ) and Stacking only will give you that already, at a speed that would be exceptable then run another Indiserver on a normal RPI for everything else - mount,guide(spit),focuser etc.
Perhaps we can persude Davy to do a test as the Apha runs both Windows and Linux and he has (or will have) of the kit required - LOL. Hope you are well Davy by the way - thought it might be a bit too HOT(27c in Glasgow forecast) for you Kilt wearing lot at the moment :-) Should have clear skies albeit a little light.
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Post by davy on May 30, 2020 20:06:01 GMT
Thanks for that Oldstash. I didnt realize you could do plate solve with simulators. Stacking/imaging done by the camera is very interesting. Does that mean we will need to buy new cameras or will it be a software change? cheers Paul Yes thats how I test platsolving settings - during the day so not to waste clear skies. Give you a good idea of the solve times. You can do the same on Windows to be fair.
Again my opinion but the former - part of camera. Most likely from ZWO I guess.
But of course using Davy's new to arrive (bet he has ordered one just not saying LOL) Alpha stuck on a nice high end ZWO USING Indiserver(NO GUI - sorry Windows lovers) running the Image capture (say 4k HD 4944X3284 @ 100FPS - i wish, ok real life present 1920x1200 @ 30-FPS ) and Stacking only will give you that already, at a speed that would be exceptable then run another Indiserver on a normal RPI for everything else - mount,guide(spit),focuser etc. Perhaps we can persude Davy to do a test as the Apha runs both Windows and Linux and he has (or will have) of the kit required - LOL. Hope you are well Davy by the way - thought it might be a bit too HOT(27c in Glasgow forecast) for you Kilt wearing lot at the moment :-) Should have clear skies albeit a little light.
are you nuts,, I only took my sweatshirt off at work on Friday afternoon because I was working so fast,, did you never hear,, never cast a clout till May's out,, it was only 27 degree's. Gets any brighter I will need to send Away for sunglasses. Talking of ebay I did splash out,, not on a panda though,,,
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Post by davy on May 30, 2020 20:13:08 GMT
Set of twisted thistle bass drum beaters,, got them just shy of £30 They are brand new and sell for £125 + postage,, so saved a £100,, Will be getting the panda when I fix the leak in my wallet,, leaking money something awful just now 🤑 Was think about a skywatcher 127 mak but,, going to stick with the alpha,, was tending to wait for the delta but at 4gb of ram the alpha would be worth saving up a bit more,,
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Post by davy on May 30, 2020 20:22:36 GMT
Set of twisted thistle bass drum beaters,, got them just shy of £30 They are brand new and sell for £125 + postage,, so saved a £100,, Will be getting the panda when I fix the leak in my wallet,, leaking money something awful just now 🤑 Was think about a skywatcher 127 mak but,, going to stick with the alpha,, was tending to wait for the delta but at 4gb of ram the alpha would be worth saving up a bit more,, Gave my sizes to the band on Friday night,, so hopefully they will start sorting out kit,,, got half of it already as my own kit,, but the photo above is how we play,, no1 uniform
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