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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:01:26 GMT
Hey Guys,
This is mainly aimed at Hemmi but might be useful to others too. We are both experiencing an issue when using miloslick that the preview window will not show the full picture. This isnt a HUGE issue as you can move the image about to get your object in the centre of the view.
However... this does become a huge problem when you go to use the stacking feature (and others) as it locks the picture in place and cant be moved about. Meaning you lose half your object off the side of the screen and you cant do anything about it. I showed Bill the issue and he is looking into it. He kinda implied it could be because im not using a mallincam.
However today i received my new/used cam so wanted to see if there was any change in this department. So i plug the MCX into my video grabber and open miloslick. Damn... no change! Still exactly the same.... However my camera came with a Dazzle video grabber too. So i install it and plug it in.... Picture fills the preview window perfectly with the full picture in view.
So Hemmi looks like its entirely to do with the video grabber mate! I will mail bill my findings too. Seems strange tho!
So in total i have 3 video grabbers now.
Easycap card - Shows the issue above Maplin (Winstars) card - Shows the issue above Dazzle card - Works perfect
Im guessing the dazzle card must use a different chipset to the other two! As im sure the easycap and maplins are the same cause i didnt need to install any drivers or anything to use the maplins one. It worked straight away using the easycap drivers and software that were already installed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:50:04 GMT
Thanks Chris, not exactly happy to have to get a new grabber. I use a Hauppauge 610 USB-Live 2 Analog Video Digitizer which is the best one I have owned so far, as the color and clarity is so much better than the cheap easycap ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:25:13 GMT
Chris,
One other thing, my grabber does not seem to cut off any of the image until I start stacking. I verified this via amcap, as the image looked the same in amcap as it did in miloslick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:09:57 GMT
ohhh really? So our results are slightly different then... My image would never fit in the preview window at anytime! I had to move the image about to see it all.
So you only lose some of your image when you stack? Thats weird. So its fullscreen and fits perfect... then when you turn stacking on its kinda zooming into one side of your image? (its defo not turning the zoom function on is it?)
For me when i turn stacking on it would just move the view back to the top left of my image. So anything at the very bottom or right hand side is lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 17:36:11 GMT
ohhh really? So our results are slightly different then... My image would never fit in the preview window at anytime! I had to move the image about to see it all. So you only lose some of your image when you stack? Thats weird. So its fullscreen and fits perfect... then when you turn stacking on its kinda zooming into one side of your image? (its defo not turning the zoom function on is it?) For me when i turn stacking on it would just move the view back to the top left of my image. So anything at the very bottom or right hand side is lost. I'm pretty sure I have 100% of the image viewable. I never have to move the image around. But when I start stacking it shifts the image left. Then when the stack is complete, as in 2of2, the image shifts back to center however the image blurry as if it stacked the shifted image with non-shifted one. I will have to get some screen grabs to show this. Also test patterns from camera and OSD look fine in miloslick preview, so I think I'm seeing 100% of screen. Also when the image shifts, it is not zoomed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 20:17:18 GMT
Hemmi,can you try it on a static terrestrial object at night. Maybe a distant lamp post or something. This at least would remove any possibility of tracking error or scope movement between frames. You should end up with a perfect image as there is nothing moving at all between frames.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 21:51:55 GMT
Hemmi John has that same grabber i think. Maybe he can tell you what happens for him when he stacks.
But by the sounds of it i dont think our issues are as similar as we first thought. And your issue might have nothing to do with the grabber.
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Post by Dragon Man on Jan 28, 2014 13:35:16 GMT
As you both saw in my broadcast on Sunday night, I was unable to reproduce the problem you are having. So I know it isn't the software or the equipment I use. That narrows it down to the equipment being used by whoever has the problem, in this case Lee still has it. Well, that's my attempt at Sherlock Holmes's method of 'process of elimination'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 14:09:22 GMT
Well guys I broke down and ordered the MCV-1-E.
The problem I see is that my grabber only broadcast 16:9. Miloslick only does 4:3, so you can slide the image around in the preview screen (Sorry Chris, Mine does do this also). If Miloslick would allow you to change the preview window to 16:9, I think it would solve the issue.
However to save my sanity, I just bought a new grabber. And why not get the enhanced version. This will be my forth video grabber, and for the price I spent on the first three I could of just bought the Mallincam one. Lesson learned!
Hemmi
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Post by johnno on Jan 28, 2014 22:28:36 GMT
Sorry guys cant help you, I cant get miloslick to work in NSN, it will work as a standalone, but what I have noticed if I try to stack the Image it shifts to the right but I still have a full preview, will have to do more testing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 10:52:26 GMT
Mailed Bill all the details and pointed him to this thread. Hopefully he can get a fix for it. Sucks you had to buy another grabber Lee!
I defo think your on to something with the 4:3 v's 16:9 thing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 12:37:46 GMT
Mailed Bill all the details and pointed him to this thread. Hopefully he can get a fix for it. Sucks you had to buy another grabber Lee! I defo think your on to something with the 4:3 v's 16:9 thing! I have had several emails with Bill. I think he has an idea what the issue is, but not sure how to go about fixing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 7:07:27 GMT
I had my first test with the Mallincam Jr Pro last night and also used it with miloslick. One of the first things I looked at was this stacking phenomenon. The first thing I noticed is that the grabber output resolution dose not match the camera chip resolution, and I haven't found a solution to this yet, but here is what I did notice. If you drag your preview frame to centre your object in the preview window, when the stacking feature is turned on the image shifts to one side. "We already new that" (I hear you say), but if you drag your preview image to the right side of the window, and then use your scope control to centre your object in the window, it doesn't move when you activate the stacking feature. I suspect that when stacking is activated, the software aligns the frames and repositions them in the window. If you start off with your preview image already positioned to the right side it won't have anywhere to move to.
Try it and see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 14:22:50 GMT
Hey Allan yep seems you have this same issue. What grabber are you using?
Yeh the work around you mention does work... but for me its not acceptable as im losing like 20% of my already tiny FOV.
Also i dont think its got anything to do with the cameras chip. As when i use my old grabber with the mcx i get the same results.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 14:38:12 GMT
I got the MVC-1-E on Saturday. Let me tell you its leaps and bounds better than anything I have tried to date. Its not hype at all. I did a side by side test with the TV as a source. The resolution, clarity, frame rate, color, etc killed my other grabber hands down.
Can't weight to try it out under the stars.
Hemmi
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 14:53:34 GMT
I'm using a Winstarrs grabber Chris. I have a sneaky feeling that the grabbers res is something like 640x480, but the cam chip res is bigger, so yes, you will lose some of the image.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 15:28:48 GMT
Interesting Hemmi! Ken said he noticed a big difference when he got his mallincam one too! Might be something worth looking into if it really does make that much of a difference... Question do you know if it works for MAC's too?
Ahh yeh thats right you got the maplin's one too Allan. I hate to say it but you might just be better buying a new grabber that works with milo (unless Bill has a fix coming soon). Maplin sell the Dazzle ones too but they are 40-50 quid.
FYI mine is the Dazzle 100 (black one) and seems to work fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 16:23:01 GMT
Interesting Hemmi! Ken said he noticed a big difference when he got his mallincam one too! Might be something worth looking into if it really does make that much of a difference... Question do you know if it works for MAC's too? Ahh yeh thats right you got the maplin's one too Allan. I hate to say it but you might just be better buying a new grabber that works with milo (unless Bill has a fix coming soon). Maplin sell the Dazzle ones too but they are 40-50 quid. FYI mine is the Dazzle 100 (black one) and seems to work fine. No idea about the MAC, shoot rock a note! Resolution is the same for most grabbers 640x480, but its the artifacts or the absence of artifacts that makes the picture. For example text and straight lines seemed to have edge artifacts that seemed to flicker slightly. With the mallincam grabber, they are crisp! Image is sharper and color is more vivid. Dynamic range is much better also. The image looks more like what you would expect on a dedicated monitor, if that makes since. You may not see a difference on NSN, but I bet screen grabs and live views will be much better. Still have yet to test the Enhancement knob feature.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 16:50:37 GMT
Ok cheers for the info man. Can i just say tho...in future if i ask you how good something is...can you just lie and say its crap so i dont want to buy one Looking forward to hearing how you get on with the enhancement knob thing. Im sure i read it allows you to turn the brightness down even more than normal so that you can expose longer or use more gain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 18:57:52 GMT
Nice bit of info for us/me who are starting out. Will file this thread for future ref so as not to make a bad or wrong purchase later.
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