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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 23:35:20 GMT
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Post by Dragon Man on Oct 11, 2014 11:29:37 GMT
Phil, it is a very misleading advertisement (typical of Orion). No' it's not a Sammie, it is Orion's attempt to cash in on the growing Video Astronomy fad. You may notice that the camera case is almost identical to other brands because the cases of many cameras are made by Wakiama and are very similar. Typical of Orion's exaggerated advertising, the write-up makes it ' sound like' it can easily see DSO's by using key phrases: "Scan the starry skies", "your astronomical observing sessions" and "share your stargazing". You would be lucky to be able to see any ' stars' with this camera. The hype: "Scan the starry skies in 1080p HD resolution with the Orion StarShoot HD Video/Web Broadcasting Camera! Using this versatile high-definition video camera with a telescope is a great way to broadcast your astronomical observing sessions over the internet, so you can easily share your stargazing experiences with friends and family all over the World Wide Web". They do mention further on: (For deep space observations, we recommend our StarShoot Deep Space Video Camera II, sold separately, since its sensor features larger 8.4x9.8 micron pixels.). - which isn't quite as good as the Sammy 2000 or the LN300. Broadcaster 'AussieAmature' had the Orion Deep SpaceVideo camera and could never get a good result from it even with help from many of us for over a year! But back to the original camera this thread is about. It's only a Lunar/Planetary camera. There are many available now. Despite the spec claim of 8 seconds, if this camera could capture DSO's they would have shown us to help them sell better, but the pixels are too small. Even their Starshoot DeepSpace Video camera II only goes to 4 seconds. www.telescope.com/Astrophotography/Video-Astrophotography/Orion-StarShoot-Deep-Space-Video-Camera-II/pc/-1/c/4/sc/448/p/101920.uts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 14:02:10 GMT
lol got to love them for trying. i get there emails so i seen that was like mmm not payin a 1000 bucks for a cam lol ..
and i notice orion does that a lot with there stuff.. love hype lol
the starshooter doesnt look woth it . lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:50:35 GMT
No' it's not a Sammie, it is Orion's attempt to cash in on the growing Video Astronomy fad. Video astronomy is a fad? That's the wishful thinking of a few Confused Nights Deep Sky Forum members but some of us are in this to stay. Fad, shame on you.
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Post by davy on Oct 11, 2014 18:11:41 GMT
Well said ldb..
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Post by davy on Oct 11, 2014 18:15:30 GMT
I think orion came to the video party late n forgot to bring the booze..lol..
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Post by Dragon Man on Oct 12, 2014 4:33:57 GMT
No' it's not a Sammie, it is Orion's attempt to cash in on the growing Video Astronomy fad. Video astronomy is a fad? That's the wishful thinking of a few Confused Nights Deep Sky Forum members but some of us are in this to stay. Fad, shame on you. Sadly, it is only another 'fad' for many No, not for us true devotees, but I have seen a lot of people come and go with Video over the last few years. The usual complaint from them is "the quality of the 'images' is woeful" I really think they have missed the point. They aren't imaging cameras! Even here in Australia the Gstar-Ex camera sells quite well but the owners of them soon resell them in the Aussie forums complaining that they are terrible imaging cameras. They really believe they are getting an imaging camera for only $500 because of the flashy stacked and heavily processed photos in the advertising (see here: www.myastroshop.com.au/guides/gstar/ ). But 'fad' is a correct word for many, as they gave it a go and say they tried it, and then moved onto something else. Usually an expensive Imager. How many times have you read the message to others "it is NOT an imaging camera"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 17:23:29 GMT
you know the other thing that adds i think to disheart people.. not only the images on line and mags. but people.. a year ago when i looked into astrophoto side. be it vid or stills. i was told you need 3 to 5 grand to do it.. i wont say where i heard it. cough but someone sort of said it before lol turned me off big time.. then i come across this forum and a few things online. and now iam enjoyin myself more then every.. worse part.. i even said when i asked.. I DONT want purfect. iam not out for mag style photos or what have you.. my 80mm setup say ground up .. with out laptop .. 500 bucks.. scope , cam , gt mount , trpod i had. far cry from 3 to 5 grand..
i know i not goin to get purfect images or videos. but part of the fun is 1 seein things better then naked eye in EP , 2 its so much more comfy to sit and enjoy the sky , 3rd i do try and get the best i can. knowing again not 100% but heck if i get 87% close iam happy as a roe in moms pouch.. lol < did i say that rite> ?? lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 1:36:56 GMT
Good thread, DSO. I have been in amateur astronomy only a few years, but NRTV (near real time viewing) or EAA (electronically assisted astronomy), whatever one wants to call it, has opened up a whole new world for me and I think will be the future of amateur astronomy. I realize this is the analogue camera forum, and high sensitivity video cameras have led the way in getting NRTV. But, to get decent results with longer integration cams, they can be on the pricey side. A cheaper solution that can give good viewing results and even images that many would be happy with is the Starlight Xpress Lodestars used with the free Lodestar Live software developed by Paul in the UK. The system is much simpler to use than the traditional video cams that require extensive adjustments and use multiple cables. Perhaps that is the reason that many become disenchanted with them. The Lodestar uses only one USB cable and the LL s/w has minimal adjustments to get good results. The sensors used in the latest Lodestars, both mono and color, are used in the top end video cams. All this for $599 in the US. I don't think NRTV is a fad, but may take a different direction away from the traditional video camera. Here is a link to some of my results with the Lodestar X2 and X2C. Also, thanks to Nytecam for his work with the Lodestars. Look up his website to see some incredible results in the light polluted skies of London. stargazerslounge.com/gallery/member/36930-hilodon/Don
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 3:43:40 GMT
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Post by Dragon Man on Oct 13, 2014 5:07:24 GMT
Yes Don, we are very familiar with Nytecam and his Lodestar. Almost all of us are also members in the Stargazers Lounge and Cloddy Nights where we see his posts almost daily. You sound like an advertisement for Lodestars Please try not push them too much as that is why many people stopped posting in other forums. The product pushing. That is one thing that makes this Forum different. We don't allow pushing, or bagging. If it happens, it disappears. You will find that Lodestars are covered in the Forum Rules on allowed Cameras: astrovideoforum.proboards.com/thread/526/admin-notice
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Post by davy on Oct 13, 2014 12:14:00 GMT
Hi don..yes the lodestar is a very capable camera, the forum started because of arguments in other forums ..being followers of mallincam and astro video systems. .we started this forum and welcomed all ..we have few but strict rules..no bullying of any kind which covers 99% of problems on forums..the site did start as analogue but the admin and mods discussed all aspects of video capture and included mallincam, loadstar and other cameras that either by mechanical or software allowed it to do near live viewing. .yes we named them hybrid on here..when others were arguing we led the way..we are open minded and all support live or near live video..and we dont do arguments we do help and support
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 18:29:02 GMT
Ken and Davy,
Thanks for the feedback. As I said, I'm relatively new to amateur astronomy so my enthusiasm can get the better of me. I have had a good experience with the product I mentioned, so I simply wanted to share it with others. I have no financial or business interests in any astronomy products. I am just a user. I recognize that there are many other good performing products out there and I am by no means an expert on them. I will refrain from giving the appearance of pushing a product in the future.
Don
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 19:42:05 GMT
There is nothing wrong with loving your cameras Don, and paul's Lodestar Live software has made them a great tool to use for NRTV. I almost bought one too. Feel free to post your captures in the hybrid camera forum so that we can see what results you are getting. Just state whether they are screen grabs or post processed so that we know what we are looking at.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 4:00:16 GMT
Thanks, Allan, I will do that.
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