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Post by howie1 on Jan 3, 2020 2:18:28 GMT
I just posted on another thread about MegaBob showing the ASILIVE Beta version on NSN. I found the links to download it and also the reason why some said it did not work. Acknowledgement to Errol (who posts as alphatripleplus) Error is another one of my guru's (along with Mega) who pushed me along in VA/EAA in the early days. Errol pioneered very short exposures using the 224 based cameras. 1 to 8 seconds if I recall correctly. He got some pretty faint stuff letting up to 60 of those very short frames stack. His techniques eventually ended up being used by a bloke to do VA / EAA with non-GoTo Dobs! Using sub-second to 2 second frames stacked and stacked and stacked ... which worked! Amazing for a push-to Dob! Readers note ... push-to! Anyway ... note interesting thing below ... the ASILIVE stacking software is available for Mac too!!! Now that is something! Here's Errol's post ... "I just heard back from a ZWO developer of ASILive. They have fixed a bug in the beta which causes mono cameras to crash when stacking - that is probably why mega256 had no problems with his colour cameras. ZWO was kind enough to point me to the latest beta versions, which are as follows: windows 64bit: linkwindows 32bit: linkMac: link
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 0:01:44 GMT
Howie, Errol has posted some stacked images using ASILIVE on mono . Looking good. My Bintel order is in. cheers Paul
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Post by howie1 on Jan 8, 2020 13:13:42 GMT
Thanks Paul, I'll go have a look. Cheers
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Post by howie1 on Jan 8, 2020 13:21:30 GMT
Paul ... and also posts with pics and comments from MegaBob (Mega265 on that forum) using ASILIVE PRO ... the comments from both are looking good enough for me to pull the pin and order one. I'd say that depending on how long it takes to arrive, that I may be the first to try the DSLR capability. But Bintel might just have problems with ordering and arrival of stock due it's popularity. Cheers
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Post by davy on Jan 8, 2020 15:47:20 GMT
Seeing a few posts coming through,, all indoors testing so far,, that I've seen
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Post by howie1 on Jan 9, 2020 12:11:19 GMT
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Post by davy on Jan 9, 2020 13:26:08 GMT
Looking very promising
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Post by howie1 on Jan 22, 2020 1:41:24 GMT
Don and another guy are live right now on NSN using ASILive software on their pc's. NB not the AIR PRO ... this is the pc software ASILive they are using and experimenting with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 6:20:36 GMT
Did it stack ok ,Howie? I guess the next step from camera to ASIair then WiFi to a tablet/ipad is still a pretty big step but hopefully not too far off. Paul
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Post by howie1 on Jan 22, 2020 12:25:26 GMT
ASILive running on pc on NSN: I only watched for about half an hour. Both Don and the other guy were using ASI294's - the camera of the moment due to its high dynamic range (fill well capacity). ASILIVE software takes about 5 seconds to stack when it gets a frame from the 294. So, that's a pretty big sensor at 19.1 x 13mm and 11.7Mpix - so pretty big files stacking in 5 seconds per frame. Beats toaster/dss. But dont know if it works with DSLR's nor if it works with non-ZWO cameras? Mega(Bob) was commenting to Don - and Don and the other guy broadcasting agreed - that they like the ease of use of the ASILIVE software. It is very much taylored for ease of use. Even easier than Infinity. Couple of gripes. One was there is no RGB adjustments, just an Auto button on the histogram. It appears to auto align the RGB peaks for quick color balance/white balance. Nothing wrong with that, but if you are in LP or smoke haze which needs adjustment of RGB channels to make it look better ... well you cannot do that fine adjustment. But then I don't know the software and maybe if you de-press the AUTO button it opens up some RGB sliders? Dont know? Second gripe was it seems to only have low, med and high gain settings whereas sharpcap you can control the gain fully by setting any gain value you like. Again though, it makes it easy for noobs. And maybe somewhere in settings you can make it allow normal gain setting rather than Low, Med, High? Dont know? Given ASILIVE seems to have a very small/easy peezy bunch of sliders and buttons, and that there are MAC and PC versions, then I reckon it will open up VA for many noobs quickly and easily, but I suspect the "Live-AP" crowd won't like it. Not enough tweakability for them. LOL. MegaBob, who was also watching and commenting, and who posted on CN his images using it, is still very much all for old school shorter the better and easier the better camp with his AltAz rapid style of VA / EAA. So he is quite enthusiastic about ASILIVE. Having said that ... mastering the techniques matching camera to scope and reducer, and focussing, and spacers to get better focus, and mastering all the tweaks of even those few ASILIVE sliders is STILL something noobs will take time to achieve. Because Don's vast experience in all that 'technique' showed immediately. His ASILIVE images using 30 seconds HIGH gain setting were HEAPS better than the other dude broadcasting. That other blokes shots were dark, fuzzy looking, and far more like a noob's would be using it. Re Stacking promised in the ASIAIR PRO: Just what ZWO have done for the stacking feature in the ASIAIR PRO is unknown. I reckon you'll have one before me Paul ... I await your report. cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 14:34:40 GMT
Very interesting Howie. I dont mind the Low,Med,High gain setting and the auto RGB at this stage of my experience. Because I can only see myself using the ASIair pro as part of a getup and go,it will be on smaller scopes. I like the shorter the better approach as well, but havent been able to achieve that on the smaller scopes and still reckon I will need the EQ mount for the 30 sec settings.My alt/az mounts are for eyepiece viewing only these days It seems like we still have some time to wait for the stacking on the ASIair pro. cheers Paul
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Post by davy on Jan 22, 2020 14:57:32 GMT
Hi Paul,, I thought zwo held back because they were sorting out stacking,, mmm,, bit of miss leading advertising I think,, was there any significant software upgrades or have they just stuck there software in the new raspberry pi4 system.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 21:00:54 GMT
ah,sorry Davy. I was talking about those features which were already in the Pi3 version. It appears they are still in the new version which is only PC and Mac so far. cheers Paul
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Post by howie1 on Jan 23, 2020 12:35:07 GMT
Hi Paul,, I thought zwo held back because they were sorting out stacking,, mmm,, bit of miss leading advertising I think,, was there any significant software upgrades or have they just stuck there software in the new raspberry pi4 system. davy, I watched ASI-LIVE on NSN ... not the ASI-AIR. ASI "LIVE" is ZWO's software for PC or MAC from ZWO website or their FB page. It HAS stacking in it. Don, Mega, Errol and others are trying it out on their PC's. The "AIR" is the aluminium box Rasp Pi device. First version released about 12 months ago which many have bought and used. No stacking in that original model of the "AIR". The "PRO" model of the rasp pi "AIR" won't be delivered until mid Feb thru March. It HAS stacking and DSLR support and is faster etc etc? Obviously the "LIVE" software with its stacking is basically getting a Beta test by users using their pc's and macs before ZWO (finally) ship the AIR-PRO rasp pi device with that software in it. Can't wait until someone actually has this new model in their hands at the club! I won't buy until I see it can handle DSLR and see if it is as robust as the original non-PRO version I saw out in the dark a month ago. BTW I saw a bloke selling a version 1 ASI-AIR on iceinspace just this morning for $200 Aussie bucks. It sold very quickly after the guy had posted the advert ... I only saw it when it had already sold. davy ... $200 Aussie bucks ... thats 105 GBP! For a fully sorted small aluminium boxed velcro to your mount rasp pi device with adaptor to 12V, with one install-able package on the "AIR" containing Polar Alignment, full camera control of main ZWO image camera and of ZWO autoguider camera, full GoTo object database and one click interface with SkySafari, full mount control for slews and goto's, full platesolving including precise GoTo auto-correction, full PHD2 guiding and all its graphs n stuff, ZWO filter wheel control, ZWO auto focuser control, sequence generator for imaging runs, image storage using SD card, wifi and a wifi app for full wireless remote control from Apple-device or android device. But ... everything ZWO! Still cheap as chips for 105GBP!
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Post by davy on Jan 23, 2020 17:49:30 GMT
Hi Paul,, I thought zwo held back because they were sorting out stacking,, mmm,, bit of miss leading advertising I think,, was there any significant software upgrades or have they just stuck there software in the new raspberry pi4 system. davy, I watched ASI-LIVE on NSN ... not the ASI-AIR. ASI "LIVE" is ZWO's software for PC or MAC from ZWO website or their FB page. It HAS stacking in it. Don, Mega, Errol and others are trying it out on their PC's. The "AIR" is the aluminium box Rasp Pi device. First version released about 12 months ago which many have bought and used. No stacking in that original model of the "AIR". The "PRO" model of the rasp pi "AIR" won't be delivered until mid Feb thru March. It HAS stacking and DSLR support and is faster etc etc? Obviously the "LIVE" software with its stacking is basically getting a Beta test by users using their pc's and macs before ZWO (finally) ship the AIR-PRO rasp pi device with that software in it. Can't wait until someone actually has this new model in their hands at the club! I won't buy until I see it can handle DSLR and see if it is as robust as the original non-PRO version I saw out in the dark a month ago. BTW I saw a bloke selling a version 1 ASI-AIR on iceinspace just this morning for $200 Aussie bucks. It sold very quickly after the guy had posted the advert ... I only saw it when it had already sold. davy ... $200 Aussie bucks ... thats 105 GBP! For a fully sorted small aluminium boxed velcro to your mount rasp pi device with adaptor to 12V, with one install-able package on the "AIR" containing Polar Alignment, full camera control of main ZWO image camera and of ZWO autoguider camera, full GoTo object database and one click interface with SkySafari, full mount control for slews and goto's, full platesolving including precise GoTo auto-correction, full PHD2 guiding and all its graphs n stuff, ZWO filter wheel control, ZWO auto focuser control, sequence generator for imaging runs, image storage using SD card, wifi and a wifi app for full wireless remote control from Apple-device or android device. But ... everything ZWO! Still cheap as chips for 105GBP! LOL,, so would you have went for it or going to hold off for the pro,, fair jump from the second hand price to the pro version, I have my raspberry pi4 board but waiting on the touch screen and case,, so far cost me about £65,, then it's a case of getting software on it,, would have liked to have got the developer of stellarmate to come on and do a bit on here and get some tuition for the kit,, so may not end up going that way,,
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Post by howie1 on Jan 24, 2020 4:55:18 GMT
I did think hard about if I'd been in time to buy it for $200 ... would I have done it? I don't have many problems setting up my rig ... so why do I need all the other platesolving and precise goto and PHD guide etc? Haven't had to use or install it yet and doubt I would in the future either. So dunno ... maybe I would have pressed the buy button ... maybe I wouldn't have.
I hear your predicament with the pi4 and getting all the software n stuff on it. Hope it all goes well for you.
cheers
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Post by howie1 on Jan 29, 2020 1:58:30 GMT
So ... I got out with ASIStudio last night. That's the ZWO software containing a Planet lucky-imaging app (forget its name), an AP app (ASIIMG), and a VA app (ASILIVE). Unfortunately it clouded over really fast and when it started to drizzle I had to pack up real quick. I was taking a HD desktop movie of it all. So this morning I find the video is corrupted as I did not finish it properly ... I didnt stop the video but due rain just shutdown the laptop. Doh!
So, I am going to try again tonight.
The interface is the simplest I've come across. Someone on CN said it was as easy as the Infinity software, but having used that and seen a guru using his Infinity, the ASIStudio is heaps easier. As you will see when / if I get out again tonight to shoot the HD desktop vid. If weather still bad, then I'll just point the camera out the window and do a vid showing the features and tricks I found using it last night.
Spolier alert. It has some great features for fast VA! Like a good single click noise reduction on the unstacked image viewer screen. And darks and flats are super easy if you need them. Also, I thought it was ZWO only but I wonder about that? Last night while going from planet app to AP app to VA apps I froze the camera several times and under the Camera menu I saw my iSight camera come up (thats my Laptop's built in camera) and on clicking it up came the image in ZWO's LIVE app. Hmmm ... I no longer have my old Sammy nor Malincams so who can I ask who has an Atik or something to try it out?
Anyhow, cross fingers for tonight.
Cheers
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Post by howie1 on Mar 12, 2020 11:26:43 GMT
Can davy or Ken or Chris as admins move this thread from the ASIAIR forum into the Software forum.... ASILIVE and ASISTUDIO mentioned in this thread are pc mac and linux software and not the AISAIR device. I just noticed it's in the wrong place.
Cheers, Howie
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Post by Dragon Man on Mar 12, 2020 11:48:44 GMT
Can davy or Ken or Chris as admins move this thread from the ASIAIR forum into the Software forum.... ASILIVE and ASISTUDIO mentioned in this thread are pc mac and linux software and not the AISAIR device. I just noticed it's in the wrong place. Cheers, Howie Done
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