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Post by davy on Nov 25, 2019 13:24:51 GMT
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Post by davy on Nov 25, 2019 13:28:24 GMT
This looks like my Christmas present to myself this year,, when it's released in January lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 19:27:05 GMT
Still no live stacking davy cheers Paul
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Post by davy on Nov 25, 2019 23:06:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 1:44:37 GMT
The ASIair pro sounds promising. I will wait till live stacking is up and running before I upgrade. It has a couple of usb 3 ports as well as more ram . Someone on the forum questioned the heat generation of the Rasberry Pi 4 which is the cpu. When all the teething problems are sorted it will be a great little unit to use with the 72ED AZ-GTi for a grab and go. cheers Paul
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Post by davy on Nov 26, 2019 9:14:19 GMT
Yeah seen the posts,, not too worried..can 3d print a fan housing if it's problematic,, good thing with zwobis there back up,,so not too worried myself
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Post by Dragon Man on Nov 26, 2019 12:26:23 GMT
OK, I have read all the details in the ZWO page, but I still don't understand what it is What is it? It sounds like it replaces a computer. Or is it a link between the camera and the computer? Or is it a capture/stack software program in a box instead of using computer software?
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Post by davy on Nov 26, 2019 13:14:19 GMT
All of the above ,, .. Fair bit of a learning curve,, I read the manual on the ver 1 and watched videos on YouTube ,, I was interested in it as it now supports DSLR cameras,, limited to 30 second exposure,, if I remember correctly,, was holding off buying ver1 till it incorporated stacking. The ver2 or pro version has more features than the ver 1 more computing and storage, stacking,plate solving,, seemingly more information getting released on Friday.
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Post by howie1 on Nov 27, 2019 4:16:56 GMT
OK, I have read all the details in the ZWO page, but I still don't understand what it is What is it? It sounds like it replaces a computer. Or is it a link between the camera and the computer? Or is it a capture/stack software program in a box instead of using computer software? Here you go Ken. This video explains it the best I've found. At the end he actually shows it in use using features like the auto stretch to centre objects, get it autoguiding is really easy as seen in the video too. Apparently the latest version has stacking and other stuff like platesolving. Some on CN have said the stacking isnt very good (according to two I've read ... but as usual CN is full of s**t most times as they are comparing it to sharpcap and not really saying why they reckon it isnt any good... kinda fanboys just being fanboys - not really reviewing it).
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Post by howie1 on Nov 27, 2019 4:31:54 GMT
All of the above ,, .. Fair bit of a learning curve,, I read the manual on the ver 1 and watched videos on YouTube ,, I was interested in it as it now supports DSLR cameras,, limited to 30 second exposure,, if I remember correctly,, was holding off buying ver1 till it incorporated stacking. The ver2 or pro version has more features than the ver 1 more computing and storage, stacking,plate solving,, seemingly more information getting released on Friday. DSLR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I'm even more interested! 30 sec exposures is fine as thats my preferred VA setting! Yippeee .... its like it has been designed for me!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 4:39:27 GMT
OK, I have read all the details in the ZWO page, but I still don't understand what it is What is it? It sounds like it replaces a computer. Or is it a link between the camera and the computer? Or is it a capture/stack software program in a box instead of using computer software? It is the computer Ken. In addition to the ASIair you need an iphone /ipad or the equivalent . IT can preview a single exposure only on the ipad. If you want to stack or post process then you have to download to another computer and use your favorite program .That is a big disadvantage and PITA if you are at home. It is a lot of extra work when you dont need to. In my opinion, it does not compete with sharpcap or risingsky/toupcam if you are at home and all set up with a laptop/desktop. Previewing single exposures puts it behind live stacking programs for VA. For me, the advantage is out at a dark sky with the grab and go setup and no need for a laptop ...and that is it. Thats why I keep carrying on about live stacking. If considering getting ASIair for VA, I would wait for live stacking. I will upgrade to a pro as soon as they do. cheers Paul
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 5:03:55 GMT
The ver2 or pro version has more features than the ver 1 more computing and storage, stacking,plate solving,, seemingly more information getting released on Friday. Davy, Version 1 will stack ,but it is a PITA and so far the Pro has the same stacking...no live stacking yet. The ASIair saves the stack to the memory card. If you want to see what a single exposure looks like, you preview it on the ipad. If you want to see the next exposure you preview it on the ipad again,but only one at a time. If you want to see how the whole stack has turned out you wait until you download the card in the ASIair to a laptop and stack all the single exposures on whatever program you are using. I dont bother stacking. I will do ,say ,a 20 sec exposure, preview that,make a few adjustments on the histogram on the ipad, increase or decrease exposure time and preview that. All single exposures. Nothing saved.That is how I used to use the mallincam Xtreme out at the dark sky site. WiFi controller, single exposures , no laptop and was happy enough doing that. At the moment that is all we can do with the ASIair....but I cant wait for live stacking. I havent used the plate solving yet because I have only used the ASIair with the AZ-GTi . cheers Paul
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 10:37:24 GMT
Howie I can see that autoguiding,plate solving and stacking that requires quite a lot of time post processing could appeal to a lot of astrophotographers. I watch a lot of astrobackyard on youtube. Trevor gave a positive review of ASIair for astrophotography but I notice that he hasnt used it since in his own backyard where he has his laptop and the software of his choice. For videoastronomers, it really doesnt compare to Sharpcap or Risingsky and I would have to agree with those from other forums. ASIair for videoastronomers is for situations where you dont have a laptop/desktop at hand in my opinion. Live stacking will be a game changer but will require a major change to the software which I dont see happening anytime soon.
As I have said a number of times, the ASIair is for my grab and go AZ-GTi and maybe AZ-GTe cheers Paul
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Post by davy on Nov 27, 2019 10:41:56 GMT
I put a post on the zwo forum asking for info,, just watch there website for info was reply,,, just need to wait n see
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Post by Dragon Man on Nov 27, 2019 14:26:13 GMT
OK, I have read all the details in the ZWO page, but I still don't understand what it is What is it? It sounds like it replaces a computer. Or is it a link between the camera and the computer? Or is it a capture/stack software program in a box instead of using computer software? Here you go Ken. This video explains it the best I've found. At the end he actually shows it in use using features like the auto stretch to centre objects, get it autoguiding is really easy as seen in the video too. Apparently the latest version has stacking and other stuff like platesolving. Some on CN have said the stacking isnt very good (according to two I've read ... but as usual CN is full of s**t most times as they are comparing it to sharpcap and not really saying why they reckon it isnt any good... kinda fanboys just being fanboys - not really reviewing it). - You Tube Video Here -Thanks Howie, now it makes sense
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Post by howie1 on Nov 27, 2019 20:04:37 GMT
Davy, Version 1 will stack ,but it is a PITA and so far the Pro has the same stacking...no live stacking yet. The ASIair saves the stack to the memory card. If you want to see what a single exposure looks like, you preview it on the ipad. If you want to see the next exposure you preview it on the ipad again,but only one at a time. If you want to see how the whole stack has turned out you wait until you download the card in the ASIair to a laptop and stack all the single exposures on whatever program you are using. I dont bother stacking. I will do ,say ,a 20 sec exposure, preview that,make a few adjustments on the histogram on the ipad, increase or decrease exposure time and preview that. All single exposures. Nothing saved.That is how I used to use the mallincam Xtreme out at the dark sky site. WiFi controller, single exposures , no laptop and was happy enough doing that. At the moment that is all we can do with the ASIair....but I cant wait for live stacking. I havent used the plate solving yet because I have only used the ASIair with the AZ-GTi . cheers Paul Thanks Paul - sorry been over at daughters place moving into new house and landscaping and such and missed your post somehow. Great info re your workflow. Thanks I did not know a Pro version existed. I will have to go look for details. I am very close to pulling the pin on getting one. Bintel is out of stock for all the version they have (which is ASIAIR by itself, another with ASI120MM guide cam, and another with ASI120MM and mini guidescope). Lastly, get a EyeFi SD card for your asiair! IE have your laptop out there with sharpcap or toaster and that will establish a wifi connection with the EyeFi SD card .... so as the ASIAIR saves shots to the EyEfi SD card they will automatically also save to the laptop. Setup SharpCap in Monitor mode (the lastest Pro version's ability to Monitor a folder and stack etc with frames arriving in that folder from any camera) or to Toasters Monitor folder where it does the same thing. IE Stacking live in the field. That is what I plan to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 2:53:30 GMT
"Lastly, get a EyeFi SD card for your asiair! IE have your laptop out there with sharpcap or toaster and that will establish a wifi connection with the EyeFi SD card .... so as the ASIAIR saves shots to the EyEfi SD card they will automatically also save to the laptop. Setup SharpCap in Monitor mode (the lastest Pro version's ability to Monitor a folder and stack etc with frames arriving in that folder from any camera) or to Toasters Monitor folder where it does the same thing. IE Stacking live in the field. That is what I plan to do. "
Thanks Howie. I didnt know you could wifi it straight to the laptop. Even so, I will stick with single exposures until live stacking is available. I dont want to have to setup the laptop in the field at all. In my mind,if I have to setup a laptop then I may as well connect it directly to the camera and bypass the ASIair.But that is just me being impatient. cheers Paul
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Post by davy on Nov 28, 2019 7:28:33 GMT
Davy, Version 1 will stack ,but it is a PITA and so far the Pro has the same stacking...no live stacking yet. The ASIair saves the stack to the memory card. If you want to see what a single exposure looks like, you preview it on the ipad. If you want to see the next exposure you preview it on the ipad again,but only one at a time. If you want to see how the whole stack has turned out you wait until you download the card in the ASIair to a laptop and stack all the single exposures on whatever program you are using. I dont bother stacking. I will do ,say ,a 20 sec exposure, preview that,make a few adjustments on the histogram on the ipad, increase or decrease exposure time and preview that. All single exposures. Nothing saved.That is how I used to use the mallincam Xtreme out at the dark sky site. WiFi controller, single exposures , no laptop and was happy enough doing that. At the moment that is all we can do with the ASIair....but I cant wait for live stacking. I havent used the plate solving yet because I have only used the ASIair with the AZ-GTi . cheers Paul Thanks Paul - sorry been over at daughters place moving into new house and landscaping and such and missed your post somehow. Great info re your workflow. Thanks I did not know a Pro version existed. I will have to go look for details. I am very close to pulling the pin on getting one. Bintel is out of stock for all the version they have (which is ASIAIR by itself, another with ASI120MM guide cam, and another with ASI120MM and mini guidescope). Lastly, get a EyeFi SD card for your asiair! IE have your laptop out there with sharpcap or toaster and that will establish a wifi connection with the EyeFi SD card .... so as the ASIAIR saves shots to the EyEfi SD card they will automatically also save to the laptop. Setup SharpCap in Monitor mode (the lastest Pro version's ability to Monitor a folder and stack etc with frames arriving in that folder from any camera) or to Toasters Monitor folder where it does the same thing. IE Stacking live in the field. That is what I plan to do. Lol,, you have same train of thought as myself,, I didn't want to say anything till I get the new pro asiair,, didn't want to send anyone on a wild goose chase till I knew it worked. I have a windows tablet that I was going to use,,.
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Post by davy on Nov 28, 2019 10:27:18 GMT
All going well with the asiair ,,I will save the pennies and go for the zwo focuser, that would be a handy addition to the kit,, get to a dark site and control all my kit from inside the car in the warm,, looks like zwo will be getting a few quid from me over the next year 😆
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Post by davy on Nov 28, 2019 19:17:27 GMT
On zwo forum today,, by Sam
ASIAIR Pro will support live stacking ASIAIR don't have enough memory to do this job
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