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Post by davy on Feb 15, 2017 23:25:11 GMT
We go through a spell of new technology and techniques and to be fair to the members of the forum we have to ask questions to how the forum should progress.
Do we strictly keep it as a video forum and keep it to a strict set of rules that should be revised
Do we change more towards a EAA forum as cloudy nights and sgl,,
There are many who use the mentioned forums and post there, is it because we are restrictive because of our current views on ,, what is video astronomy,,
Is it time for a change given the current technology and techniques,, Stacking, darks, lights, ect,,
Video astronomy is dangerously close to astrophotography techniques now and I believe personally this trend will continue and grow stronger and that video astronomy will become a more purist form of live,,near live captures..
As the forum was set up for all members to have a say on how the forum is run and it's direction , we should take this opportunity to express what we would like to see done with the forum and the direction it goes, whether we plod away the way we are or open it up more as a video and eaa forum,
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Post by johnno on Feb 16, 2017 1:07:19 GMT
personally I think we should cater for all types of eaa, like you say the techniques are getting similar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 2:11:43 GMT
Well like I posted in another thread , to me as soon as you stack a image it's not Video Astronomy! And this is my opinion it has to be live on the screen to be Video Astronomy. But I read the CN EAA forum more than this one ! Why as you say it's such a fine line between a true live view and a 30 second stack and view. So really you must cater for everyone. I see no problems at all with that. I have got my head around all of it as it is imaging of some sort all be it live viewing or a 30 second stacked image or a 3 hour stacked image . It comes down to how you personally want to move ahead in the hobby. For me personally I want to be as close to live viewing as possible and I know this forum will help with that endeavour. I think everyone takes what they can re information out of each forum group contribute where they can and follow there own path. I like this forum and think it should cater for Video Astronomy or if you like EAA and we can contribute where possible. Cheers, David.
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Post by davy on Feb 16, 2017 7:02:41 GMT
Personally I don't have a problem with any of it, if it makes You happy,do it. The point of the post is do we keep things the way it is. Or make it more open and just allow all types of posting and not have any rules on , live,near live, and just see what gets posted,, some folk like the initial idea of the forum,, video astronomy and our interpretation of what it is,, then others like the newer techniques that are getting closer to astrophotography,, And more eaa.
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Post by Dragon Man on Feb 16, 2017 7:06:58 GMT
Personally, I'd like to see it stay exactly as it is now. No name change, no classification change. We already cater for all sorts of exposure lengths. About the only thing we could possibly change that would make us similar to the Cloudy Nights section is to allow (dare I say it ) . . . Imaging I really don't like the name 'EAA'. Cloudy Nights is the only place on earth that uses the term as the name for Video Astronomy. OK, it might not use 'Video' cameras much any more, but the 'Field' of Astronomy we do is 'Video' Astronomy because we View the objects via a Video system (camera and monitor). This site may seem too specific for some people, but that's what it is meant to be. A specific Forum for Video Astronomy.
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Post by davy on Feb 16, 2017 7:22:41 GMT
All good input guys,,
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Post by elpajare on Feb 16, 2017 8:33:58 GMT
Video astronomy -EAA is a new experience, is being born and becoming popular right now.
In my opinion I don't think we should put rules at the moment. Lets wait an see how is the thing developing.
The only rule maybe, will be to explain how you obtain the picture: equipment, exposure, seeing, etc......
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Post by howie1 on Feb 16, 2017 8:38:33 GMT
Personally, I'd like to see it stay exactly as it is now. No name change, no classification change. We already cater for all sorts of exposure lengths. About the only thing we could possibly change that would make us similar to the Cloudy Nights section is to allow (dare I say it ) . . . Imaging I really don't like the name 'EAA'. Cloudy Nights is the only place on earth that uses the term as the name for Video Astronomy. OK, it might not use 'Video' cameras much any more, but the 'Field' of Astronomy we do is 'Video' Astronomy because we View the objects via a Video system (camera and monitor). This site may seem too specific for some people, but that's what it is meant to be. A specific Forum for Video Astronomy. Top post Ken! And thanks for clearing up the "Video" bit (IE cos we view the objec ts via a video system). I both thought, and I am sure I have seen, many a heated debate on other forums pretty much saying "if it wasn't a true video camera doing fps frames then integrating them, then it wasnt video astro". Cheers Mate. Like I said on the NRT thread, I like it here cos of the points you make. People are friendly and helpful. Its a nice place to see things fellow EAA'ers err NRT'ers err VA'ers are doing. ps. Advance warning ... If I can swing it this Winter I'd sure as heck like to swing down south and catch up at your fan-b***dy-tastic OBS if that is ok with you. And most likely ask ChrisV for a catch up to when I swing past my Niece's place in Sydney, if that's also ok? cheers Howie
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Post by howie1 on Feb 16, 2017 8:40:47 GMT
davy and other admins ... if I knew how to put the bowing to the guru smileyface in my post I'd do it ... you are tops! Really appreciate all the work you put into the site.
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Post by davy on Feb 16, 2017 10:52:44 GMT
It's not going to get nasty the thread,, it's a learning curve and everyone has an opinion and there are no rights or wrongs,, just different ways of doing things.. The forum was started before we was around and we were all video observing and firing in screen grabs and then an image that had been digitally made better.
Now most doing video have the opportunity via new technology and techniques to do it differently, the question was do we need to change things or do we want to.
I personally do my own thing and rarely put up images in any forum ect,, I like the banter and friendly conversation and the learning curve.
As an admin i and others need feedback to keep the forum current and of interest to our members,, if it's crap we sort it,, if it needs sorted.. and that's where everyone comes in ,, new ideas new members new technology and techniques..
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Post by fondofchips on Feb 16, 2017 12:08:10 GMT
Personally, I'd like to see it stay exactly as it is now. No name change, no classification change. We already cater for all sorts of exposure lengths. About the only thing we could possibly change that would make us similar to the Cloudy Nights section is to allow (dare I say it ) . . . Imaging I really don't like the name 'EAA'. Cloudy Nights is the only place on earth that uses the term as the name for Video Astronomy. OK, it might not use 'Video' cameras much any more, but the 'Field' of Astronomy we do is 'Video' Astronomy because we View the objects via a Video system (camera and monitor). This site may seem too specific for some people, but that's what it is meant to be. A specific Forum for Video Astronomy. Spot on Ken, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Always a pleasure to visit this forum.
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Post by Dragon Man on Feb 16, 2017 12:46:11 GMT
Personally, I'd like to see it stay exactly as it is now. No name change, no classification change. We already cater for all sorts of exposure lengths. About the only thing we could possibly change that would make us similar to the Cloudy Nights section is to allow (dare I say it ) . . . Imaging I really don't like the name 'EAA'. Cloudy Nights is the only place on earth that uses the term as the name for Video Astronomy. OK, it might not use 'Video' cameras much any more, but the 'Field' of Astronomy we do is 'Video' Astronomy because we View the objects via a Video system (camera and monitor). This site may seem too specific for some people, but that's what it is meant to be. A specific Forum for Video Astronomy. Top post Ken! And thanks for clearing up the "Video" bit (IE cos we view the objec ts via a video system). I both thought, and I am sure I have seen, many a heated debate on other forums pretty much saying "if it wasn't a true video camera doing fps frames then integrating them, then it wasnt video astro". Cheers Mate. Like I said on the NRT thread, I like it here cos of the points you make. People are friendly and helpful. Its a nice place to see things fellow EAA'ers err NRT'ers err VA'ers are doing. ps. Advance warning ... If I can swing it this Winter I'd sure as heck like to swing down south and catch up at your fan-b***dy-tastic OBS if that is ok with you. And most likely ask ChrisV for a catch up to when I swing past my Niece's place in Sydney, if that's also ok? cheers Howie Howie, it would be a pleasure to have you visit mate. Come on down
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Feb 16, 2017 14:12:03 GMT
I'm going to be blunt and I do not mean to hurt anyone's feelings.
What is the reason for the question? Is it to try to get more people to join? Is it to get more content?
If we widen the scope of the forum, then we end up being just like the other guys and try to draw their crowd away from them (ain't gonna happen). How do we distinguish ourselves from them? That we're more international? That we're more fun? How to we get enough content for all of those other subjects we cover?
We should instead celebrate the fact that we have a niche and a very strong focus. Yes, we have ups and downs day to day with posts and new content, but that's the way it goes with niche websites. We have already seen VA grow and grow and we will see that continue even more. We will see new active members join this spring and we will all have new ideas and (hopefully) better weather to post our results and experiments.
So chin up and keep on keeping on!
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Post by davy on Feb 16, 2017 18:09:35 GMT
Hi rick.. no agenda's,, members will come if they like the way we run things,,
personally not looking to change anything, it just an info gathering post,, as technology and techniques change sometimes the forum needs tweaking.. but going by the posts everything is running to everyone's satisfaction,, which is fantastic news,, It lets us guys know we supply the information that folk want and I'm shure that makes us all happy. Not looking to do anything to the forum but it doesn't mean that i sit back and let it toddle along,, I actively try and keep pushing things and it may spur things on a bit. Yip we have a niche when it comes to forums,we do things differently to others and it's the members who make it what it is, so congrats to all who join in or just visit,, Only thing we need to change is the crap weather😂
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Post by ChrisV on Feb 16, 2017 23:08:16 GMT
I'm leaning towards fewer restrictions, but I'm not going to push it as there's something good happening on this site.
For me, the main thing about this forum is its friendly, helpful nature. I haven't found that on other sites. And I'm not trashing other sites like CN-EAA which I always enjoy and try to participate in. Also, there's the massive mound of info that the 'real' moderators have accumulated here - and I still haven't sorted through yet.
I'm not interested in the heated debate over video/live/eaa etc. In the end I'll just pursue what I want to do, but I'll still look at AVF every day and make a stupid comment about something.
Edit: vote for no change, but maybe add one more section to 'video astronomy techniques and images' which has no restriction on exposure/stacking as long as its not post-processed.
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Post by robrj on Feb 16, 2017 23:37:15 GMT
I don't find things particularly restrictive here. I like the focus as it is. It makes specific things easier to find as well since the categories are broken down well. CN has a lot of information but it's all pretty much lumped into one big forum section. The only downside is it might be difficult for a new user to know where to post something. Perhaps a short description post in each sub forum that tells the intent of the section.
It might be a good idea to have some tutorials, especially for software like Sharpcap or Starlight Live. I think that's probably one of the steepest learning curves for a new user.
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Post by davy on Feb 17, 2017 0:11:26 GMT
Hi rob, it's always good to get feedback and give the members a say on the forum development and day to day issues, and I'm happy that it's going well and with the feedback as said if it ain't broke leave it alone, my fear was Are we being to restrictive or not enough,, I'm happy to say you guys feel the balance is about right and that suits me fine. Tutorial wise I think we would all agree that we need more,, they are a great asset to any forum and we have had a lot of requests for ken to do more ,, and I'm shure he will when he gets some time,,, a nice video on the new observatory would be nice,, and of course we can't forget the great videos from Howie,, total fan of these
Nothing stopping folk doing videos and getting them linked in here, The forum is a place to learn and bounce ideas off each other, I personally would love to see more cooperation between the forums and push astronomy on more,
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Post by davy on Feb 17, 2017 0:17:25 GMT
The forum has only one upgrade planned for the future, it's ongoing and progressing and won't be released until it's 100% ready,, hopefully we will be able to release more information soon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 2:49:36 GMT
I’m very happy with the set up here.
I come here to learn about “video astronomy” – preferably as close to live as possible.
There will always be a trade-off between “fast” and “pretty” and the point on that line we choose for our video observing will vary from person to person.
Cost is a factor here because “fast” usually means expensive.
There seems to be a lot of energy expended on trying to put labels and definitions on what we do and I think this is largely unnecessary.
Except in the case of the categories Davy has set up so that we can make sensible comparisons between captured images. Being able to compare like with like is both necessary and useful.
Overall the posting categories available in the group are very broad and you can just about post anything without breaking the rules if you choose the right place.
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Post by ChrisV on Feb 17, 2017 3:39:35 GMT
I don't find things particularly restrictive here. I like the focus as it is. It makes specific things easier to find as well since the categories are broken down well. CN has a lot of information but it's all pretty much lumped into one big forum section. The only downside is it might be difficult for a new user to know where to post something. Perhaps a short description post in each sub forum that tells the intent of the section. It might be a good idea to have some tutorials, especially for software like Sharpcap or Starlight Live. I think that's probably one of the steepest learning curves for a new user. Great idea. Maybe we should set up some suggestions for subjects, and then the biggy - volunteers ? I could have a crack at sharpcap, or is there a good one out there already, or someone who uses it more frequently. Someone did one over at CN a while ago but it was an old version of sharp cap and many things have changed.
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