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Post by Dragon Man on Oct 17, 2016 11:29:07 GMT
This is a great Video showing Live . . . yes 'Live', not 'Near-Live' DSO's with a Sony IMX 178 sensor in the ZWO ASI178MC camera. Fantastic!!!
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Oct 17, 2016 13:58:41 GMT
That must be the cooled version - about $700 US. I'm seriously looking at the 178 for my next color camera. But Chris (Astrogate) has been getting just insanely nice pictures with the Infinity. Apparently, the latest software upgrade has really taken it to a new level.
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Post by Dragon Man on Oct 17, 2016 14:50:00 GMT
That must be the cooled version - about $700 US. I'm seriously looking at the 178 for my next color camera. But Chris (Astrogate) has been getting just insanely nice pictures with the Infinity. Apparently, the latest software upgrade has really taken it to a new level. Rick, Alain explains on CN that his is the un-cooled version. BIG price difference between an IMX178 camera and an Infinity! and I've never seen an Infinity show results 'Live'. But it's your choice
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Post by vondragonnoggin on May 23, 2019 16:15:55 GMT
This is a great Video showing Live . . . yes 'Live', not 'Near-Live' DSO's with a Sony IMX 178 sensor in the ZWO ASI178MC camera. Fantastic!!!Ok. This is really something I need to check out more. Very exciting for a manual mount user and NV user! Going to do some more research on this, but this may be my ticket to color live views.
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Post by davy.... Shirva.. on May 23, 2019 23:35:18 GMT
This is a great Video showing Live . . . yes 'Live', not 'Near-Live' DSO's with a Sony IMX 178 sensor in the ZWO ASI178MC camera. Fantastic!!!Ok. This is really something I need to check out more. Very exciting for a manual mount user and NV user! Going to do some more research on this, but this may be my ticket to color live views. I have this camera,, got it because it had the starvis sensor,, was impressed by it,, but preferred my dslr
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Post by howie1 on May 24, 2019 1:14:59 GMT
This is a great Video showing Live . . . yes 'Live', not 'Near-Live' DSO's with a Sony IMX 178 sensor in the ZWO ASI178MC camera. Fantastic!!!Ok. This is really something I need to check out more. Very exciting for a manual mount user and NV user! Going to do some more research on this, but this may be my ticket to color live views. Careful there Von ... He is using an Orion Atlas GoTo EQ mount and a ZWO ASI178MC (not NV and not a manual mount). And while his OTA is a 9.25 SCT normally f/10, it is operating at f/3 judging by the FOV/image scale of those objects. The f/3 and big aperture is giving him lots of brightness and photons for that sensitive 178. But yes ... very cool non-the-less! Astrojedi on another forum has also posted similar video's using ASI224 (ie IMX224 chip) too. Also live it-moves-as-he-moves-the-mount ala Alain's video. Again, cool stuff. If interested in manual push to mounts ... there's a guy who posts images (on another forum) where he is using a fully manual push-to dob and lets the object 'drift' through the FOV of the scope shooting 1 second exposures and stacking in SharpCap. So every second he see's a brighter image with more detail and colours (thanks to Robins Sharpcap stacking being so fast). And the stacking derotation and aligning of frames (star on top of star) means they are sharp images. Of course he has to stop stacking once the object starts to drift past the static FOV of the manual dob. But again .... freaking amazing. I mean a manual push-to dob is pretty darn cheap to buy, especially second hand. Add an uncooled (as they are such short exposures cooling isn't that much of a problem) second hand ZWO cam like the 224 or 183 or 178 ... and for about $500 total (plus of course a second hand laptop and Robins now have to buy SharpCap) and you are up and running seeing waaaaaaay more than with your eyeball! Some very creative stuff going on.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 1:16:38 GMT
I like the zwo 178 uncooled for the brighter objects .Good colour and detail.
on another note ...Vondragonnoggin.... How do you pronounce your name? Is it Vondra-gonnoggin or Von-dragon-noggin ? cheers Paul
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 1:28:31 GMT
Sorry guys, I wasnt taking the resurgence of this post by the new member seriously. I didnt notice his post no longer exists and genuine discussion has resumed. cheers Paul
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Post by vondragonnoggin on May 24, 2019 3:22:50 GMT
Ok. This is really something I need to check out more. Very exciting for a manual mount user and NV user! Going to do some more research on this, but this may be my ticket to color live views. Careful there Von ... He is using an Orion Atlas GoTo EQ mount and a ZWO ASI178MC (not NV and not a manual mount). And while his OTA is a 9.25 SCT normally f/10, it is operating at f/3 judging by the FOV/image scale of those objects. The f/3 and big aperture is giving him lots of brightness and photons for that sensitive 178. But yes ... very cool non-the-less! Astrojedi on another forum has also posted similar video's using ASI224 (ie IMX224 chip) too. Also live it-moves-as-he-moves-the-mount ala Alain's video. Again, cool stuff. If interested in manual push to mounts ... there's a guy who posts images (on another forum) where he is using a fully manual push-to dob and lets the object 'drift' through the FOV of the scope shooting 1 second exposures and stacking in SharpCap. So every second he see's a brighter image with more detail and colours (thanks to Robins Sharpcap stacking being so fast). And the stacking derotation and aligning of frames (star on top of star) means they are sharp images. Of course he has to stop stacking once the object starts to drift past the static FOV of the manual dob. But again .... freaking amazing. I mean a manual push-to dob is pretty darn cheap to buy, especially second hand. Add an uncooled (as they are such short exposures cooling isn't that much of a problem) second hand ZWO cam like the 224 or 183 or 178 ... and for about $500 total (plus of course a second hand laptop and Robins now have to buy SharpCap) and you are up and running seeing waaaaaaay more than with your eyeball! Some very creative stuff going on. Yes, I realize he was not using NV. I was commenting that his live view looks promising to someone like me. When I said “very exciting for a manual mount and NV user”, I was meaning me. Very exciting for me to be seeing this as a manual mount and NV user. (Hope that clears that up). I use NV because I hate EQ mounts and use NV because I hate any kind of fuss with wires. I’m number one lazy astronomer! I have about $3500 in my manual alt-az and it’s the bees knees for lazy viewing (T-Rex, Atlas Pier Extension, Avalon T-Pod 130 tripod, slo mo handles) and my others are crank adjustable center column tripods (Manfrotto, Vanguard) with one Stellarvue M2 head and another Benro S8 fluid head. I watched as he moved it slow slewing and that’s no faster than my slo mo handles can move mine. It was still giving a good view. I think we are getting close to real live view action doable with manual mount. I’ll always love NV but would love to see the WitchHead and Merope nebulae which NV can’t pick up. Numerous others too. They don’t fall in the response range of the GaAs intensifiers I own. Patiently waiting for live capable camera views with manual mount and no integration times past 1/60th of a second live feed exposure. Would open up some great reflection nebulae for me since the NV doesn’t pick those up.
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Post by vondragonnoggin on May 24, 2019 3:26:15 GMT
I like the zwo 178 uncooled for the brighter objects .Good colour and detail. on another note ...Vondragonnoggin.... How do you pronounce your name? Is it Vondra-gonnoggin or Von-dragon-noggin ? cheers Paul Von Dragon Noggin - an old nickname given by a friend for the dragon tattooed on my noggin in my early twenties. It just kind of stuck with my friends so started using it everywhere on forums.
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Post by davy.... Shirva.. on May 24, 2019 7:18:14 GMT
Sorry guys, I wasnt taking the resurgence of this post by the new member seriously. I didnt notice his post no longer exists and genuine discussion has resumed. cheers Paul Hi guy's,, guy appeared to just latching on to posts to spam a piece of software,,more hits to the site he generated ,more cash he got,,,so I removed it,,
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Post by Dragon Man on May 24, 2019 15:07:33 GMT
Something that has been playing on my mind a lot is the speed of Alain's videos. He says they are Live in 'Realtime'. Yet the more I study them the more I notice that they are sped up. I slowed them to 0.25x in the You Tube settings (the little gear wheel at the bottom of the video frame) and it still seems a little too fast. It appears that they are running at 5x normal speed. Mind you, the results are still great. Just not at 'normal' speed. Maybe he sped them up to keep his video's shorter
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Post by vondragonnoggin on May 24, 2019 16:44:20 GMT
Interesting. Makes sense if he wants to keep videos short. Still a live view although it might put more emphasis on tracking.
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Post by arthurinacio on Mar 2, 2020 11:27:52 GMT
Está bem. Isso é realmente algo que eu preciso conferir mais. Muito emocionante para um usuário de montagem manual e usuário NV! Você fará mais algumas pesquisas sobre isso, mas poderá ser o meu tíquete para colorir como visualizações ao vivo. Cuidado lá ... Ele está usando uma montagem Orion Atlas GoQ EQ e uma ZWO ASI178MC (não NV e nem montagem manual). E embora seu OTA seja um SCT 9.25 normalmente em f / 10, ele está operando em f / 3 para julgar pela escala FOV / imagem desses objetos. A f / 3 e a grande abertura estão dando a ele muito brilho e imagens para aquela sensível 178. Mas sim ... muito legal mesmo assim! Crie um outro fórum também para publicar vídeos semelhantes usando o ASI224 (ou seja, o chip IMX224) também. Assista também ao vídeo de Alain, ele se move como ele move uma montanha. Mais uma vez, coisas legais. Se estiver interessado em pressionar manualmente para montagens ... há um cara que posta imagens (em outro fórum) em que ele está usando uma chave automática e deixa o objeto 'flutuar' através do FOV do osciloscópio, fotografando exposições de 1 segundo e empilhamento sem SharpCap. Então, a cada segundo, ele vê uma imagem mais brilhante, com mais detalhes e núcleos (graças ao empilhamento Robins Sharpcap ser tão rápido). A derotação de empilhamento e o alinhamento de quadros (estrela em cima de estrela) significa que são imagens nítidas. É claro que ele precisa parar de empilhar quando o objeto começa a passar pelo manual do banco de dados do FOV. Mas novamente .... incrível. Quero dizer que um manual de push-tob é muito barato, especialmente na segunda mão.Coloque uma câmera ZWO de segunda mão não resfriada (como essas exposições são cortadas, ou resfriamento não é um problema), como 224, 183 ou 178 ... Algumas coisas muito criativas ocorrem. bom dia ... gostaria de saber mais sobre esse procedimento, você poderia compartilhar qual fórum contém essas informações? obrigado
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Post by howie1 on Mar 2, 2020 12:31:22 GMT
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Post by arthurinacio on Mar 2, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
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Post by arthurinacio on Mar 2, 2020 14:49:34 GMT
Olá pessoal ... Eu estava lendo o tópico do link acima e tinha uma enorme dúvida: existe muita diferença entre os sensores IMX 178, 224 e 385? Ou eles serão semelhantes? Eu ainda sou um leigo nesta questão de sensores. obrigado
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Post by Dragon Man on Mar 3, 2020 10:38:51 GMT
Olá pessoal ... Eu estava lendo o tópico do link acima e tinha uma enorme dúvida: existe muita diferença entre os sensores IMX 178, 224 e 385? Ou eles serão semelhantes? Eu ainda sou um leigo nesta questão de sensores. obrigado Arthur, the difference is mainly the Megapixels and Field of View. IMX 178 is a Type 1.1/8" sensor with 6.44 megapixels (high resolution) IMX 224 is a small Type 1/3" sensor with 1.27 megapixels (moderately low resolution) IMX 385 is 1/2" sensor with 2 megapixels (low resolution) Each has a different FOV and resolution. The 178 has a wide FOV, the 385 has a medium FOV, and the 224 has a small FOV, and their resolutions also scale down with each model.
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Post by arthurinacio on Mar 3, 2020 11:09:01 GMT
Olá pessoal ... Eu estava lendo o tópico do link acima e tinha uma enorme dúvida: existe muita diferença entre os sensores IMX 178, 224 e 385? Ou eles serão semelhantes? Eu ainda sou um leigo nesta questão de sensores. obrigado Arthur, the difference is mainly the Megapixels and Field of View. IMX 178 is a Type 1.1/8" sensor with 6.44 megapixels (high resolution) IMX 224 is a small Type 1/3" sensor with 1.27 megapixels (moderately low resolution) IMX 385 is 1/2" sensor with 2 megapixels (low resolution) Each has a different FOV and resolution. The 178 has a wide FOV, the 385 has a medium FOV, and the 224 has a small FOV, and their resolutions also scale down with each model. understand ... what about the imx290 sensor? For my telescopes (skywatcher 114mm F 4.3 and skywatcher 70mm F10) which one would do better? thanks again
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Post by Dragon Man on Mar 3, 2020 11:45:45 GMT
Arthur, the difference is mainly the Megapixels and Field of View. IMX 178 is a Type 1.1/8" sensor with 6.44 megapixels (high resolution) IMX 224 is a small Type 1/3" sensor with 1.27 megapixels (moderately low resolution) IMX 385 is 1/2" sensor with 2 megapixels (low resolution) Each has a different FOV and resolution. The 178 has a wide FOV, the 385 has a medium FOV, and the 224 has a small FOV, and their resolutions also scale down with each model. understand ... what about the imx290 sensor? For my telescopes (skywatcher 114mm F 4.3 and skywatcher 70mm F10) which one would do better? thanks again IMX290 is a Type 1/2.8" sensor with 2.13 megapixels. It has quite large pixels for such a large format sensor, making it medium/low resolution. For the f4.3 any of them would be ok, but the f10 will be hard to use with these small FOV cameras. Slow telescopes (like your f10) give extremely small FOV and other problems unless you want to use the camera for fast frame rate Lunar/Planetary work. Forget attempting DSO's with a camera and a 70mm f10.
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