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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 3, 2016 15:27:51 GMT
In other news, Space-X revealed that they had over 39,000 applications for the 650 internships they hired in 2015.
This despite reports of regularly working long hours for relatively low pay.
Next year will supposedly be the first manned launch. We'll see. They are still aiming for Mars.
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Post by Dragon Man on Aug 3, 2016 16:48:43 GMT
In other news, Space-X revealed that they had over 39,000 applications for the 650 internships they hired in 2015. This despite reports of regularly working long hours for relatively low pay. Next year will supposedly be the first manned launch. We'll see. They are still aiming for Mars. NASA's days of glory are finished. Space travel and settlements will be done by Private enterprise. But I bet Government will still try to control them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 1:57:29 GMT
While I'm all for private companies handling what has become the routine restocking flights to the international space station, manned exploration of the solar system is beyond the capabilities of a private firm. True private firms can be run more efficiently, but government agencies like NASA have the opportunity to work with many universities and companies to conduct leading edge research and have the deep pockets for such research. Private firms must deliver to stock holders a reasonable return on their investment or the companies go bankrupt. Government agencies can endure expensive research failures, cost over runs, etc as long as they occasionally deliver a big success to keep the public behind them. If I am sitting in the capsule I want to know that things were done right, not just built by the low cost bidder.
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Post by scopemobile on Aug 4, 2016 7:10:45 GMT
ground control to ensign tam on mars,the company has folded and the boss has run off with the pension fund,but its ok, the one way ticket is still valid. there is a lot of work to be done before the health and safety man signs his name to the go for launch.john.
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Post by davy on Aug 4, 2016 10:57:07 GMT
Yeah you can see that happening in the far away sci fi route humans would be expendable and a cheap expense compared to the billions of cash invested in a space " transport" ship..dollars are king.....dont think we would ever get tothe star trek mentality ..money has no concept and all race's co help for the good of man kind...lol...just now we cant even have video astronomy forums without bitching,,of course on herewe have the star trek mentality,,,lol.. engage warp engines mr dragonman,,mr rick take the helm...ok lost the plot :-)
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Post by Dragon Man on Aug 4, 2016 12:40:32 GMT
LOL!!!!
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 4, 2016 14:02:32 GMT
*** I've split off these latest comments in the thread because I think its a great discussion to have! ***
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 4, 2016 14:06:20 GMT
www.space.com/33632-moon-express-private-lunar-landing-approval.htmlSo the first private company, Moon Express, was approved for landing on the Moon: "The U.S. government has officially approved the planned 2017 robotic lunar landing of Florida-based Moon Express, which aims to fly commercial missions to Earth's nearest neighbor and help exploit its resources, company representatives announced today (Aug. 3)." For me, this brings up a troubling questions: - Why does the US have say in this versus an international coalition of representitives? - Who said it was ok to "exploit its resources"? Drilling, mining??
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Post by Dragon Man on Aug 4, 2016 14:38:05 GMT
www.space.com/33632-moon-express-private-lunar-landing-approval.htmlSo the first private company, Moon Express, was approved for landing on the Moon: "The U.S. government has officially approved the planned 2017 robotic lunar landing of Florida-based Moon Express, which aims to fly commercial missions to Earth's nearest neighbor and help exploit its resources, company representatives announced today (Aug. 3)." For me, this brings up a troubling questions: - Why does the US have say in this versus an international coalition of representitives? - Who said it was ok to "exploit its resources"? Drilling, mining?? Rick, I totally agree with your puzzlement. The rest of the world gets tired of hearing how they are prohibited from many things, but it's OK for the US to do it. There is an international agreement already in place that states that NO person, company, organisation, government, or country can have dominion, ownership, or exploitation of Outer Space or anything in Outer Space. The US is a signatory of that agreement. The agreement is a Treaty and its actual full name is: Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, but is simply known as the 'Outer Space Treaty'.
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 4, 2016 21:20:18 GMT
Maybe I'm not reading enough, but I dont see anyone objecting to this story.
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Post by Dragon Man on Aug 5, 2016 16:11:06 GMT
I'm sorry Rick, but what part of your posts are we possibly objecting to? - That they got 39,000 applications? - That there was only 650 internships given out? - That they will work long hours for relatively low pay? (relative to what pay level?) - The first manned launch? - That they are aiming for Mars? - That a private company, Moon Express, was approved for landing on the Moon? - Florida-based Moon Express, which aims to fly commercial missions to Earth's nearest neighbor and help exploit its resources? - That US is going against an International Treaty? If it is the last 2, then I totally object to them. That's why I posted my comments in my last post
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Post by davy on Aug 5, 2016 17:22:43 GMT
To be honest,I knew there was a treaty but didn't know it's content. But hopefully it all makes sense to somebody..going back many thousands of moons ago when explorers landed on new lands they claimed it for there,king+queen and country...so if we followed this logic,it gets a bit mental,,,first folk to fly = they own the skies,then first in space= russia but did they ask permission to go into the sky,,then America put some chaps on the moon,,,did they ask the russians if it was ok to go in there space...I think there's been a lot of trespassing going on... lol.yip it all sounds as crazy as my post.
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Post by scopemobile on Aug 6, 2016 9:21:37 GMT
on an 8-10 year round trip to mars they would be using a windows 10 operating system plus associated hardware,whereas earth would evolve onto windows 20 and its own problems.they would need to put ground control in a time warp to keep it compatible with obsolete mars base technology[with loads of spares.].it would be like our memory sticks trying to communicate with floppy disk drives. Sending updates over these distances might introduce flaws and viruses. we seem to have enough bugs here trying tu update to windows 10. john
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 8, 2016 12:28:39 GMT
I'm sorry Rick, but what part of your posts are we possibly objecting to? - That they got 39,000 applications? - That there was only 650 internships given out? - That they will work long hours for relatively low pay? (relative to what pay level?) - The first manned launch? - That they are aiming for Mars? - That a private company, Moon Express, was approved for landing on the Moon? - Florida-based Moon Express, which aims to fly commercial missions to Earth's nearest neighbor and help exploit its resources? - That US is going against an International Treaty? If it is the last 2, then I totally object to them. That's why I posted my comments in my last post Other than you... I didn't see any backlash to the US giving ME the thumbs up.
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 8, 2016 12:31:48 GMT
on an 8-10 year round trip to mars they would be using a windows 10 operating system plus associated hardware,whereas earth would evolve onto windows 20 and its own problems.they would need to put ground control in a time warp to keep it compatible with obsolete mars base technology[with loads of spares.].it would be like our memory sticks trying to communicate with floppy disk drives. Sending updates over these distances might introduce flaws and viruses. we seem to have enough bugs here trying tu update to windows 10. john A lot can happen in 10 years. Will Micro$oft still be around? The only things keeping them alive are Office, PC Gaming, and XBox.
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Post by Dragon Man on Aug 8, 2016 15:55:31 GMT
on an 8-10 year round trip to mars they would be using a windows 10 operating system plus associated hardware,whereas earth would evolve onto windows 20 and its own problems.they would need to put ground control in a time warp to keep it compatible with obsolete mars base technology[with loads of spares.].it would be like our memory sticks trying to communicate with floppy disk drives. Sending updates over these distances might introduce flaws and viruses. we seem to have enough bugs here trying tu update to windows 10. john A lot can happen in 10 years. Will Micro$oft still be around? The only things keeping them alive are Office, PC Gaming, and XBox.Interesting point Rick. A news story on tonight's TV news here was that today they buried a time capsule for 25 years and all that's in it is a USB memory stick containing photos of around Melbourne taken this week. The time capsule was locked up today in the dungeon of the State Library, Melbourne. What I found interesting is what the lady in charge of the State Library who locked it in the dungeon said: "This may be a waste of time. What if in 25 years time there is no 'Windows', or a computer with a USB slot, or any software that can read a USB stick, or even computers?". She's got a good point.
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Post by robrj on Aug 8, 2016 17:44:53 GMT
The US doesn't control access to space for the world. It only controls what it's governmental and non-governmental entities do. So we give permission, but only to our citizens/companies/government activities. If a Russian company were to go to the moon to do the same thing, it would require the approval of their State. States have liability for the actions of it's entities, which is why they must grant permission.
Also, mining on the moon is not prohibited by treaty as long as it's done for peaceful purposes. So there's nothing illegal here.
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Aug 8, 2016 18:31:09 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Robert, I assumed mining would be covered by the treaty. That said, I can see a rush for "staking a claim" somehow... what if someone finds Uranium or some other extremely valuable resource? Call me a cynic I guess, but it wouldn't be the first time for conflict over available resources.
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Post by robrj on Aug 8, 2016 20:47:36 GMT
I don't really worry too much about commercialization. Lunar Express is going to the moon in an attempt to win the Google Lunar X prize. The requirement to win is a lander that has to travel 1/2 of a kilometer and send back a photo. Their ultimate goal is mining, but this is not that. Winning gets you bragging rights and $20 million. The cost is over $55 million though. And that's bringing nothing back. www.technologyreview.com/s/602098/first-commercial-moon-mission-gets-a-green-light/
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Post by davy on Aug 8, 2016 20:54:33 GMT
I keep getting asked, is the moon not made of cheese,
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