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Post by scopesnc on Apr 10, 2016 12:56:52 GMT
With some issues I was still able to get first light with the Infinity camera. Took getting used to this camera and the simple easy to use software. Let the software do it's job and you get great results. Set up is as follows. 6 inch ES carbon fiber triplet, Infinity camera running with a focal reduction of around f/5 . Objects are 120 x 6 M51, 70 seconds x 4 M82 , 120 seconds x 5 M97
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Post by davy on Apr 10, 2016 13:05:42 GMT
Great work jim..fantastic first light images
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 19:50:06 GMT
I'm looking at getting the Infinity in the next couple of months, Jim, and it's great to see how successful you've been even at first light.........nice job!!
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Post by scopesnc on Apr 10, 2016 20:48:38 GMT
I'm looking at getting the Infinity in the next couple of months, Jim, and it's great to see how successful you've been even at first light.........nice job!! I'm not trying to sell a camera , but this puppy sure makes things easy. Takes a tad longer for results and a fast scope is helpful not an absolute. I waa around f/5 or so with the math on mine. It did just fine. You are going to love the camera and easy user friendly software.
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Post by davy on Apr 10, 2016 21:01:00 GMT
Hi jim..few myths with this camera,,one that I read on an other forum is that it needs a very fast scope to cope with it's captures,I see your running yours at f5,,which is fast but im seeing quotes for half of this f number getting banded about.I like the images for your first light and honest evaluation of the camera of how easy you found it to operate,given some advice from fellow video astronomers. Are folk trying to hard with these cameras in fact I believe I see more and more of this on forums,,folk pushing too hard and losing the fun of the hobby. Well done jim for bringing in some sanity to the hobby :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 21:47:06 GMT
I'm looking at getting the Infinity in the next couple of months, Jim, and it's great to see how successful you've been even at first light.........nice job!! I'm not trying to sell a camera , but this puppy sure makes things easy. Takes a tad longer for results and a fast scope is helpful not an absolute. I waa around f/5 or so with the math on mine. It did just fine. You are going to love the camera and easy user friendly software. No, I didn't think you were, Jim, I really have been dong research on choosing either the SX Ultrastar or the Infinity with the view to acquiring one in the next couple of months. I'm leaning towards the Infinity because there seems to be few reviews and views on the SX Ulstrastar while Atik have been pushing the boat out regarding publicity and reviews on the Infinity. So your experience with the Infinity is of real interest.
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Post by Rick in NWArk on Apr 11, 2016 3:46:20 GMT
Hi jim..few myths with this camera,,one that I read on an other forum is that it needs a very fast scope to cope with it's captures,I see your running yours at f5,,which is fast but im seeing quotes for half of this f number getting banded about.I like the images for your first light and honest evaluation of the camera of how easy you found it to operate,given some advice from fellow video astronomers. Are folk trying to hard with these cameras in fact I believe I see more and more of this on forums,,folk pushing too hard and losing the fun of the hobby. Well done jim for bringing in some sanity to the hobby :-) Davy, Curious why that would be the case... I'd say longer F/ = longer exposures which is more of a limit of the mount & alignment versus the camera?!
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Post by davy on Apr 11, 2016 6:13:16 GMT
Yip,,lot of speed freaks about rick,lol
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Post by ChrisV on Apr 11, 2016 6:51:38 GMT
Beautiful shots ... drool .... slobber ...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 19:55:22 GMT
I've just noticed that the Infinity has gone up substantially in price from £799, here in the UK, to £859........all down to popularity??
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Post by davy on Jun 14, 2016 23:02:33 GMT
Looks like were victims of its popularity,same happened with the spc9000 webcam and the Samsung scb2000,before video astronomy made them popular they were going for peanuts compared to dedicated badged astronomy cameras,this is a pet hate of mine in this hobby,the big companies look at forums ect,latch on to ideas and discussions then create a camera ,give out some and get the hype up and sell at a set price,,now we dont grudge a mark up and lets be honest the electronics are getting cheaper all the time,we all know we can buy aboard camera from ali express very cheap,,so why put a price increase on a popular camera,,just ripping off the customer,,the software is getting better all the time and making half decent cameras better,look how far the development of sharpcap has came in years...this is one reason why we should have more cooperation between major forums,,band to gether and boycott the company's who are exploiting us, get some discounts from suppliers to forum members,,were the ones doing the promotion of there goods.look at how quickly cameras are coming out now,, boycott a company product for 3 month,that camera is outclassed very quickly by the competitions cameras,,how quickly would these manufacturers back down,,it should be in there best intrest to keep us happy and be returning customers
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Post by bobbycloud on Jun 14, 2016 23:11:27 GMT
Looks like were victims of its popularity,same happened with the spc9000 webcam and the Samsung scb2000,before video astronomy made them popular they were going for peanuts compared to dedicated badged astronomy cameras,this is a pet hate of mine in this hobby,the big companies look at forums ect,latch on to ideas and discussions then create a camera ,give out some and get the hype up and sell at a set price,,now we dont grudge a mark up and lets be honest the electronics are getting cheaper all the time,we all know we can buy aboard camera from ali express very cheap,,so why put a price increase on a popular camera,,just ripping off the customer,,the software is getting better all the time and making half decent cameras better,look how far the development of sharpcap has came in years...this is one reason why we should have more cooperation between major forums,,band to gether and boycott the company's who are exploiting us, get some discounts from suppliers to forum members,,were the ones doing the promotion of there goods.look at how quickly cameras are coming out now,, boycott a company product for 3 month,that camera is outclassed very quickly by the competitions cameras,,how quickly would these manufacturers back down,,it should be in there best intrest to keep us happy and be returning customers Well said Davy!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 19:56:26 GMT
Looks like were victims of its popularity,same happened with the spc9000 webcam and the Samsung scb2000,before video astronomy made them popular they were going for peanuts compared to dedicated badged astronomy cameras,this is a pet hate of mine in this hobby,the big companies look at forums ect,latch on to ideas and discussions then create a camera ,give out some and get the hype up and sell at a set price,,now we dont grudge a mark up and lets be honest the electronics are getting cheaper all the time,we all know we can buy aboard camera from ali express very cheap,,so why put a price increase on a popular camera,,just ripping off the customer,,the software is getting better all the time and making half decent cameras better,look how far the development of sharpcap has came in years...this is one reason why we should have more cooperation between major forums,,band to gether and boycott the company's who are exploiting us, get some discounts from suppliers to forum members,,were the ones doing the promotion of there goods.look at how quickly cameras are coming out now,, boycott a company product for 3 month,that camera is outclassed very quickly by the competitions cameras,,how quickly would these manufacturers back down,,it should be in there best intrest to keep us happy and be returning customers I agree whole heartedly.!!! I was going to get the Infinity next month but I will now put it off as I'm in no hurry to encourage the hiking of prices. There's nothing out there that I've seen as an explanation as to why Atik has upped the price and, as you said, electronics are getting cheaper and cheaper. There is admittedly the software that makes the Infinity more versatile and attractive but it's no excuse for a substantial price hike.
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Post by davy on Jun 15, 2016 22:31:20 GMT
Too right,so atik knows they have a competitive camera,,so you bulk buy the camera or components at a bulk rate and costs are reduced,,,software,,, you only need to stick on a mini cd or make as a download,cant get that any cheaper,,,so back to the conclusion...atik are increasing prices for profit. If atik would like to respond to this,were willing to listen,,,,the fall about laughing I suspect
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 21:26:48 GMT
Well, my immediate plans to buy the Atik Infinity are now in the Attic!!
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Post by davy on Jun 17, 2016 7:21:54 GMT
Sorry to hear that,ive been in camera conflict myself,,should I modify one of my canon 600d,,feel myself holding back,so I wont get it done,,if in doubt dont do it,,,go with your gut feeling
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 20:03:39 GMT
Sorry to hear that,ive been in camera conflict myself,,should I modify one of my canon 600d,,feel myself holding back,so I wont get it done,,if in doubt dont do it,,,go with your gut feeling To be honest, Davy, it's not as though I can't afford it, I'm lucky enough to be able to buy the Atik Infinity tomorrow if I wanted. But, it's really irritated me that Atik has just summarily raised the price by nearly 9% without any explanation or warning. So i'm quite prepared to just use my QHY8L color for the time being as well as enjoying visual as I normally do.......that, of course, will be when the eternal/infernal clouds clear. Obviously, some guys will go ahead and buy the Infinity despite the, to me, unwarranted price rise, and that's good for them!! I'm a fairly serious amateur photographer with 22 different focal length lenses and in that area I can't ever recall the latest all singing and dancing camera being put out on the market at a certain start price and then months later actually going up in price......mainly, I suppose, because of the cut throat competition out there. That same competition doesn't seem to exist in Astronomy and manufacturers/dealers seem to be able to call the shots making items more expensive than they possibly should be.
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Post by davy on Jun 17, 2016 21:34:17 GMT
Totally agree bd,there isn't much competition in the video astronomy market,less than a year ago atik weren't at the video astronomy table,lodestar although there cameras were being used for video astronomy with paul shears lodestar live. then an arrangement was made by paul and lodestar to incorporate lodestar live in with there cameras not so long ago,so two major companies with there now dedicated usb video astronomy cameras rule the roost and not not forgetting mallincams usb cameras but I believe they still need a bit of work to get them up to the great standard of there analogue cameras... I do strongly believe if video astronomy websites and forums could join together and act as a unit we could force change.but cant see that happening anytime soon,which is a shame
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 22:58:02 GMT
Totally agree bd,there isn't much competition in the video astronomy market,less than a year ago atik weren't at the video astronomy table,lodestar although there cameras were being used for video astronomy with paul shears lodestar live. then an arrangement was made by paul and lodestar to incorporate lodestar live in with there cameras not so long ago,so two major companies with there now dedicated usb video astronomy cameras rule the roost and not not forgetting mallincams usb cameras but I believe they still need a bit of work to get them up to the great standard of there analogue cameras... I do strongly believe if video astronomy websites and forums could join together and act as a unit we could force change.but cant see that happening anytime soon,which is a shame Well, maybe someone from Atik or the Astronomy dealers is reading this thread and can respond in an open and honest way. I can understand that manufacturers and dealers obviously need to make a profit, but I don't think there are many amateur astronomers who would disagree that new items of equipment/accessories are over priced and in certain cases are fixed prices in more ways than one. The second hand market doesn't seem to affect the new equipment sales market all that much in bringing down prices, which is surprising. As for Astronomy Web Sites and Forums uniting to protest against the over pricing of astronomy equipment, it would have to be the owners of those sites to condone/authorise/approve such united action...........and would it be in their interests to do so as some are sponsored by the very people hiking the prices.
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Post by davy on Jun 18, 2016 6:00:31 GMT
I have no gripe with the testers of the equipment they are just giving reviews on the equipment and most are honest with the cameras performance and to be fair the cameras are usually a step up from what is in the market place at the given time and they have no control over price that the manufacturers have set...no wonder a lot of us still dabble with cctv cameras as a cheaper option to get us seeing the night sky in all its glory.with product changes in the cctv market it is getting very hard to pick out a camera with decent specs for astronomy now,,seems the cameras with starvis sensors are the way to go now but it will be a bit of time before we see the prices drop to a decent level for us to buy new or second hand..I think the lodestar has to be the camera to look at if i were buying one,the price though is just out of my budget just now,zwo is another prospective set of cameras ,but are pumping out cameras very regular and have made a nice niche for themselves,but what camera to chose,,got me a bit confused...but I have spent more money this year improving my kit,I personally decided on using my dslr and byeos as my preferred route for the upcoming dark skies,this was because I couldn't justify spending nearly a grand on a camera that will sit around for months on end not getting used,last year was really poor for astronomy at my home site,,,very short Windows of clear skies,hopefully this year will be better
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